OK, this is a MUST listen! Jonathan is changing the world, one conversation at a time! The only way to fight division (which Jonathan correctly identifies as the other pandemic) is to sit down with people who have differing opinions and have a conversation with them. Not a debate or an argument but active listening. And in doing so, he finds the commonality between himself (and all of humanity) and the people he interviews. I'm completely blown away with his philosophy and huge heart and I know you will be too.


Here is a blog post/transcription of this podcast.


Here is where you can find Jonathan Rivera.


Here are all the show notes for this episode.


Here are a few of the things we talked about and links to them.

Brené Brown's Dehumanization Podcast Episode on Spotify on 1/13/21:



**The "stop complaining" book = A Complaint Free World by Will Bowen


The theory if we knew how hard something was before we started it...
The Dunning-Kruger Effect (wiki)


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Kimberly Anne
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